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Post by Kayorei on Dec 5, 2008 19:47:45 GMT -5
Well, it's been nearly a month since I've announced the launch of a new forum. As stated in the thread, it's to coincide with the new website which is almost ready to roll. Only two issues are holding me back now: - I don't know how to execute the Challenge Takers section
- I need opening content that's not exclusively my own stuff
I'm opening a thread for something of a "casting call" in the help section to deal with the "non-Kayorei" content issue. The issue I mean to address here is what to do about the CT section. So far, the only ideas I have are NeoArashi's "homepage archive" idea and the use of a wiki, and I'm not that fond of either of them standing alone. Archive Pros: relatively easy to build; no style restrictions; higher security Archive Cons: may require working knowledge of HTML from the people making sites; archive must be manually kept up to date; I doubt everyone wants to make a website just for that Wiki Pros: low maintenance; anyone can keep the wiki up to date Wiki Cons: prone to "sabotage" without passwords; apparently not easy to learn (case in point, the current Wiki, which I found I'm not the biggest fan of) I need more before we can get this off the ground. Anything at all will do, just start throwing ideas. Brainstorming. You know the drill. I have no idea how better to put this community of sorts to light, so I need all the help I can get.
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Post by Bardpado on Dec 6, 2008 9:04:55 GMT -5
Hmmm... This does bring up a good deal of questions with regards to the site... Though, I do believe that a good number of us have knowledge in the use of HTML/Javascript/CSS as a medium. (All who do say Aye!) There is an online tutor with basic HTML and CSS... I think it was www.w3schools.com [EDIT: CONFIRMED THE SITE!] Wikis are too dangerous and could also bring up the problem with biases again. That IS unless we work in a closed network, much like the CT Wiki we already have. Come to think about it, wikis already have such a bad reputation... maybe we can cross that off the list. The main thing we whould go about is the web-host. I mean, there's Angelfire, Geocities, ummm... whatever, but the web-host should be reliable and have a reasonably good reputation. Having a web-host with a bad rep (like a host that hosts pr0n sites) could lead to a misconception. That, or it could mean hackers would gather ALL our personal data and use it to impersonate us. The contents would be cake... considering the many LP's, gameplays and walkthroughs we've all done over these two years... with LE's & Fooz's stuff to name the least. Hmmm... come to think about it, the only problem WOULD be expansion (considering that it's a site, not a forum) and advertisement (considering that MOST free web-hosts are not built-in with a free serch engine host). Once those are out of the way, it would be a snap, IMO, to make the site successful and all for what you aim for it to be.
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Barrell volt
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Post by Barrell volt on Dec 6, 2008 9:14:13 GMT -5
@ Bard: Aye! I have alot of practise using CSS style sheets and other things like that.
Anyway Wiki's aren't the best idea and Bard suggested Geocites but in my opinion that isn't very good either as after about a month the website is shut down for some random reason.
In order to promote the new site however we may need to make videos or something about it, telling people that we have moved.
Actually I have one question: Have we got a certain date as to when this is going to be brought out?
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Post by Bardpado on Dec 6, 2008 9:17:13 GMT -5
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Barrell volt
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Post by Barrell volt on Dec 6, 2008 13:26:12 GMT -5
Oh well, but any Geocite I go onto shut down in at least a month, it's annoying.
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Post by Bardpado on Dec 6, 2008 22:48:01 GMT -5
Oh well, but any Geocite I go onto shut down in at least a month, it's annoying. Hmmm... well, it's possible that it's because the user doesn't log in to Yahoo! anymore. Geocities goes with a 'YM account activity' thing. Unless I'm mistaken, if your account gets deleted or idled, your Geocite also goes down.
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Post by Foozdude on Dec 7, 2008 11:53:03 GMT -5
Hm, I suppose this means I'll have to move Pomum de Pavor elsewhere once again.
Getting back on topic, I have nothing to contribute myself, since I prefer to just do walkthroughs (and even then, the only full ones I'm doing are incomplete at the moment) rather than just game-challenges. I also doubt featuring things like the Lost Challenges is much different from posting ordinary challenges, so I'll abstain from that.
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Post by Kayorei on Dec 7, 2008 21:15:38 GMT -5
Well, the CT thing is going to be tied into the site itself using a subdomain if we can get it big enough. The "homepage archive" which we have apparently settled on will be there, perhaps with a mirror on the forum. I'd offer to host it all myself, but I don't think my funds will allow for several people trying to run a website on the server all at the same time.
LP's, playthroughs, and CT-type challenges themselves can go on each CT's individual site. There's going to be a place for walkthroughs and personal full-game challenges on the primary site. If everyone can keep me up to date (forum PM, E-mail, IM, whatever), the main CT area can serve as a "latest CT news" thing, probably updating weekly if I can wrap my schedule around it.
As for free hosts, I personally prefer Geocities, but if it's not going to stay active if the user doesn't use Yahoo mail or something, then that could be a problem. I've had relatively good experience with Angelfire in the past and if you can get around the page limit on Freewebs, that works, too.
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Post by Giga on Dec 7, 2008 21:39:43 GMT -5
Well, there's always the choice of donations. If people donate, and ads get clicked, then you'd be able to host a domain yourself, with a page for each CT if you wanted. All you really need is the ads, I think. SMWC is doing pretty good from it.
Also, Aye. (I can do a bit of HTML and CSS myself. Those tables in the MM:IB thread? All hand-coded by me.)
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Post by Foozdude on Dec 8, 2008 1:02:50 GMT -5
Hm, I see. Then yes, I do not have anything to contribute at this time - I apologize. Perhaps I can bother myself to do more 'challenge-based' gameplay, but I do not care much for it personally. Asking for individual achievements and then shoving them into personal pages does seem a bit odd at first glance, but I suppose content is still content. Perhaps we (since 'you' sounds a bit too direct) could institute some base rules and guidelines for user-created content, like tournaments or creative sections - akin to what we have now, but if there's clear support or at least a base starting point, it advocates the growth of a certain thing. This would also allow for more individualized moderators, rather than have multiple 'global' ones, in order to keep organization optimal. On the 'flip-side', forcing a certain job onto a moderator or staff member could possibly reduce staff (and subsequently, member) morale, but that's only in a case of extreme-resentment. Ack, I keep thinking in terms of the forum. As for the website, advertisements could be a nice solution to hosting costs, though sometimes they become quite unsightly, especially if the web-host installs a side-bar which cannot be removed via conventional means (ex: Geocities). A donate button could help, but that would mean starting some sort of online banking account, like Pay Pal, and most people who visit the boards would not be interested in paying; they barely do it enough for the more popular sites - humans are too greedy. Admittedly, I am not too learned in the ways of actual standalone web page hosts, moreso video and forum sites. But ultimately, those are just suggestions and even if I do not join / are active enough, I wish to see this upcoming website and forum turn out as nicely as possible. Also, Aye. (I can do a bit of HTML and CSS myself. Those tables in the MM:IB thread? All hand-coded by me.) That is a bit of a stretch unless you work for ProBoards, since they provided us with the code / tags and nobody bothered assembling them in a correct fashion until you used them in your Role-Play and I needed to create a in-post table without having to link to yet another document.
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Post by Kayorei on Dec 8, 2008 1:39:09 GMT -5
Asking for individual achievements and then shoving them into personal pages does seem a bit odd at first glance, but I suppose content is still content. Perhaps we (since 'you' sounds a bit too direct) could institute some base rules and guidelines for user-created content, like tournaments or creative sections - akin to what we have now, but if there's clear support or at least a base starting point, it advocates the growth of a certain thing. Um... I'm a little lost here. Could you elaborate a bit? I was planning on putting an ad or two on the site, actually. No popups, just banners. Necessary evil, I'm afraid, but it may be the only way I can keep the website afloat. A donation option does sound viable, though, however little I expect it to work. I have multiple reasons for needing a PayPal account, anyway.
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Post by Foozdude on Dec 8, 2008 1:42:48 GMT -5
Asking for individual achievements and then shoving them into personal pages does seem a bit odd at first glance, but I suppose content is still content. Perhaps we (since 'you' sounds a bit too direct) could institute some base rules and guidelines for user-created content, like tournaments or creative sections - akin to what we have now, but if there's clear support or at least a base starting point, it advocates the growth of a certain thing. Um... I'm a little lost here. Could you elaborate a bit? Ah, understandably so. The first was simply my first opinion on asking for users' content and that I was a little taken-back by it, but now I see how it will work-out. The second was referring to additional possible content for either the site or the forum.
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Post by Kayorei on Dec 8, 2008 2:53:41 GMT -5
Well, the "personal page" bit was just for the CTs that wanted to archive their own "CT-style" challenges and update on their own time. They can also put things that wouldn't be relevant to the main site on their personal pages as well.
For example, the site generally won't accept plain playthroughs or LP's, but Random CT wants to put his "Let's Play Super Mario Galaxy" series on a non-YouTube display. He could put it on his personal page which will be linked from the CT area of the main site.
But say that same CT also did a solo Cloud challenge in Final Fantasy 7 and a video review of Mega Man Network Transmission. He could submit those to the main site.
I did forget about the event thing. Thanks for the reminder. ^_^* I'm still a little lost on the "content guidelines" bit. Then again, it's almost 2AM here and I'm a little groggy. There will be guidelines for submissions to the main site, naturally, but I'm not entirely sure what would be submitted to the CT section that would require guidelines apart from events.
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Barrell volt
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Post by Barrell volt on Dec 8, 2008 12:39:16 GMT -5
I was planning on putting an ad or two on the site, actually. No popups, just banners. Necessary evil, I'm afraid, but it may be the only way I can keep the website afloat. A donation option does sound viable, though, however little I expect it to work. I have multiple reasons for needing a PayPal account, anyway. If it means keeping the new CT ofrums afloat then i'll gladly donate some cash to it, I would say that Paypal donations are a worthwhile idea however, just look at how successful Cloud8745 was. Despite the flaming afterwards.
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Post by Giga on Dec 9, 2008 16:36:17 GMT -5
Hm, question. Does everyone get a page, or just the major CTs who already have subforums here? And does everyone still get a chance with a regular forum on the site?
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