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Post by Kayorei on Nov 8, 2008 11:23:00 GMT -5
I'm not so sure if anyone notices it, but far more people pay attention to the "Challenge Someone Else" forum now that they barely even bother to challenge someone like me even though I stayed open with an empty list for 3 months before a lock. That's exactly the point. No one notices if CSE gets activity or not, because it's buried under all those personal boards. I'm trying to equalize the amount of attention given. I actually expect that to happen. That's why the plan's a tier system. If people are only going to go for the big guys, might as well have a board specifically for the big guys. If a fish gets too big, you move it to a bigger bowl, no? *sighs* It's really hard to explain the reasoning. It would play well into the fish analogy's logic, but it'd also give us exactly the same problem as we have now: too many boards for the same general purpose. Not to mention the constant thread moving will be quite the hassle. *yawns* What she's looking for to my knowledge, would be something that doesn't show anyone to far above anyone else, and premotes a bit of competition, without needing to be watched like a hawk and moderated all the time. Not one moderator will have the time, or patience for that... I'm not sure about the competition part, but you got everything else right. Leaderboard system, eh? Sounds interesting, if a little high-maintenance, though the competetive nature of it is a little questionable. What would you do in the inevitable event of a demotion, though? If, say, I was #10 in the A-rank section, but then someone winds up completing one more challenge than me, I'd get knocked down to #11 B-rank. What would happen to the threads in my board? Would they get shunted off to a storage area, would they get deleted, or would they just sit around in the #10 slot in case I reclaim my position? 3rd time lucky... Perhaps it would be a good idea to take Arashi's idea and add it into the mix. A fifth board for the challenge takers who have enough popularity to be considered elite anyway, therefore having there own community. Just for a quick example, if somebody -let's say Shinji- reaches the 150+ mark and he has three regular challenge issuers. Shinji is drawing attention away from the rest of the CTers, so to avoid increased moderation of Shinji's CTing, he makes his own board. This allows Shinji complete control of what goes on in his small community, while the main CTing board has an out of the way thread linking to Shinji's community. Meaning mods will have little bother from the heavily popular challenge takers, and newer issuers won't instantly run for any "big fish". This may promote elitism, but it saves moderation, allows the "big fish" to operate almost alone and prevents any new members wanting to challenge any big names straight away. (Is it really worth making another account to challenge one person?). That phrase right there is pretty much the kill shot to that idea. While it sounds good on the surface, it takes so much attention away from the big guys that staying here would hurt them more than help. I'm trying to help everyone here, not just the little guys.
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 8, 2008 14:38:44 GMT -5
I have another reason to look forward to this now and it is because Invisionfree doesn't crash and shut down at all like proboards did like 10 mins ago -.-
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 8, 2008 15:06:12 GMT -5
It's nothing new that Proboards sucks bawls. Luckily, Kayorei decided to change the provider.
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Post by Inebriated Gamer on Nov 8, 2008 17:46:09 GMT -5
I'm not so sure if anyone notices it, but far more people pay attention to the "Challenge Someone Else" forum now that they barely even bother to challenge someone like me even though I stayed open with an empty list for 3 months before a lock. That's exactly the point. No one notices if CSE gets activity or not, because it's buried under all those personal boards. I'm trying to equalize the amount of attention given. I suppose this would be as much a reason as anything else in favor of change. I'm not sure about the competition part, but you got everything else right. Well competition breeds ingenuity, and forces the CTers to come up with new ways to try to stay on top and draw CTers to them. before it was the big fish deal, where you really didn't need to push yourself once your name was plastered on the main page. But in a teir system and expecially a leader board, it won't matter so much the fans you have, as much as it means drawing in new ones. Be creative, challenge yourself harder, or whatever you find comfortable. Maybe a new face with bright ideas could give you a run for your money. Leaderboard system, eh? Sounds interesting, if a little high-maintenance, though the competetive nature of it is a little questionable. What would you do in the inevitable event of a demotion, though? If, say, I was #10 in the A-rank section, but then someone winds up completing one more challenge than me, I'd get knocked down to #11 B-rank. What would happen to the threads in my board? Would they get shunted off to a storage area, would they get deleted, or would they just sit around in the #10 slot in case I reclaim my position? Well, maintenence comes with the course regardless does it not, and you can get mods to sweep, thought I'm betting if someone came about the tenth place spot they'd pm for a board move immediently. More likely then not, the CTers themselves will easily enough moderate themselves this way. As for your question, their main thread should have all their challenges being represented in the front of it, correct? So any extra threads outside this will be floatsom and discussion, and can get pruned when they lose their seat. The CSE board only has each CTer with one thread, and they work out right? Pruned topics are still on the shelf, and can be seen if you click "from the beginning" on the board thread, so if you where to make a come back, the locked extra topics on the board for you can be unlocked, and post for renew. It' a gamble that you take if you have important stuff not discussed on your main thread, You could have a section in cold storage for Cter extra if you want to do it that way. Also, to cut the fat that might accumilate, Cters who do "Full Game" or Serial CTing could have their own section to get it out of the general challenges. They aren't the same anyways. It's the diffrence between what your doing now Kay, and what you did a year ago. Also CT discussion could have it's own board JUST about CTing, or whatever which cuts down the random "Your doing great!" in the main board. So.. CT Discussion Serial ChallengesA RankersB RankersC RankersCold StorageThat about covers every need and neuance that you could have, I'd think.. Thought if someone thinks of something to add it'd be appreciated. I'm really pulling this out of my ass. I guess what I'm premoting would be CT Battle.net. 3rd time lucky... Perhaps it would be a good idea to take Arashi's idea and add it into the mix. A fifth board for the challenge takers who have enough popularity to be considered elite anyway, therefore having there own community. Just for a quick example, if somebody -let's say Shinji- reaches the 150+ mark and he has three regular challenge issuers. Shinji is drawing attention away from the rest of the CTers, so to avoid increased moderation of Shinji's CTing, he makes his own board. This allows Shinji complete control of what goes on in his small community, while the main CTing board has an out of the way thread linking to Shinji's community. Meaning mods will have little bother from the heavily popular challenge takers, and newer issuers won't instantly run for any big fish. {/quote] This may promote elitism, but it saves moderation, allows the "big fish" to operate almost alone and prevents any new members wanting to challenge any big names straight away. (Is it really worth making another account to challenge one person?). That phrase right there is pretty much the kill shot to that idea. While it sounds good on the surface, it takes so much attention away from the big guys that staying here would hurt them more than help. I'm trying to help everyone here, not just the little guys. Humm, regardless of what happens there needs to be an even playing field.. I have another reason to look forward to this now and it is because Invisionfree doesn't crash and shut down at all like proboards did like 10 mins ago -.- I use Invisionfree myself, and it's pretty sturdy. Easier to use then Acorn Rack, and a hell of a lot better then Phpbb3. Sure you'll loose a lot of gimmicky features like glowing text and alignment settings, but alignment is almost used exclusively for signatures, and glowing text was stupid as hell. Personally I'd chose a sturdy table over one with rinstones covering it anyday. Oh, Fay.. You can't change your name on Invisionfree, so you don't get the agrivation of that. And it can IP ban, as well as prematurely lock out names using a specific word/phrase. So you can start out banning curseword names, and the ilk. All and all, it's a pretty good free system...
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 9, 2008 6:00:14 GMT -5
Oh, Fay.. You can't change your name on Invisionfree, so you don't get the agrivation of that. And it can IP ban, as well as prematurely lock out names using a specific word/phrase. So you can start out banning curseword names, and the ilk. THANK GOD!!! >_<
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Post by Hot-Hit on Nov 9, 2008 7:21:51 GMT -5
Oh, Fay.. You can't change your name on Invisionfree, so you don't get the agrivation of that. And it can IP ban, as well as prematurely lock out names using a specific word/phrase. So you can start out banning curseword names, and the ilk. THANK GOD!!! >_< I find that good and bad a the same time. Initially, when I joined the proboards I had to use a version of my name that even I hate (hothit5), so that means those boards better allow a hyphen for logging in, or I'll be taking even longer to log in... >.> However, the annoyance of people like Rekai/Gospeldude/GospelEXTREME!!/L.H.C./etc. won't exist. Fay... Haven't you changed your nickname multiple times aswell?
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 9, 2008 8:48:56 GMT -5
Yes, but only in things like "Fay O'Donnell", "Fayigi" or "Fay von Karma". So, the original nick stayed the same, it was only adding something. It's not like I would need those, though. I can live with a plain "Fay".
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Barrell volt
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 9, 2008 9:16:23 GMT -5
The names being unable to change as Hot said is good and bad. I like having my nickname as Mollettman, however when I changed it to Mollettman.exe, EX and SP that was a reasonable name too and like Fay keeping the origional. Also I like Barrellman as it is my own made navi. I will likely draw Barrellman and put it as my avatar. You can do that right?
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Post by Inebriated Gamer on Nov 9, 2008 12:18:32 GMT -5
What have an avatar, or draw barrellman, cause I can do both. Yes, there are avatars on Invisionfree, so you still can toy with that.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 10, 2008 11:35:25 GMT -5
Well, I've gotten work done on the new forum. The only issue I'm having right now is which method of managing the Challenge Takers to use: permanent advancement (the first plan) or leaderboard (Armadox's suggestion)?
Other than that, its incomplete state, and the fact that I wanted to release the website at the same time, it's almost ready to move in.
Oh, and Hot-hit, you can use hyphens in your name on Invision boards.
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Post by Zettamiles1 on Nov 10, 2008 12:42:51 GMT -5
*Reads entire thread* Everytime I wanted to write something, someone else took words out of my mouth. O.o . In any case, your saying the board is almost ready? Jeez, even in incomplete form I would just wanna take a look at it's layout at the moment. You think you could send screencaptures and such, or give us an idea of it's visual appearance?
*goes into corner thinking* "Hmm, should I use Megamanadv1, or Edgeworthadv1, or even Megatye1, which name have I used that would bring in appeal, and I would never regret....?"
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Post by Hot-Hit on Nov 10, 2008 14:44:12 GMT -5
Well, I've gotten work done on the new forum. The only issue I'm having right now is which method of managing the Challenge Takers to use: permanent advancement (the first plan) or leaderboard (Armadox's suggestion)? Other than that, its incomplete state, and the fact that I wanted to release the website at the same time, it's almost ready to move in. Well then, seems Armadox has things better planned out. It's also a new system that may be better then what we use now. Plus Armadox's system seems like the opposite to the PS3, multiplayer friendly. That's a relief!
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Post by Kenzamaka on Nov 10, 2008 21:27:40 GMT -5
*Reads entire thread* Everytime I wanted to write something, someone else took words out of my mouth. Same here. Back to the point, I support a new board for a few reasons. A.) I have been logged in on this computer for ever and a half and have completely forgotten my log-in name. No nickchanging would be good. B.) Resetting everybody's challenge count would make me a happy person. I've only completed 3 challenges, but challenges are fun and I'd love to get more. While you're making the new board, I'ma go make a MMBN6 guidlines video. Hacking included. C.) I'm not so supportive of any kind of ranking system, in fact, no rankings. Here's my proposal. - Challenge Takers _* CT's A-M _* CT's N-Z Pretty simplistic explaination, but I think it'll work. Every CT gets their own board in the respective alphabetized board. In each board are boards for completed challenges, a place to start a thread for challenging, and guideline videos. Simple explanation for a complicated system, no? And, for HTML, would it use brackets ] & [, or these < & >? I'd love feedback for this, I've been feeling forgotten lately.
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Post by Foozdude on Nov 11, 2008 0:02:15 GMT -5
Kenzamaka, you assume HTML will be enabled; it is of the administrator's control and whim. No news so far, however.
Regarding the new forum as a whole, I must say I am rather displeased and may join only to post certain updates in the Creative Section, or Video Walkthrough Thread (should there be one). Pomum de Pavor will not take place over on the new forum, for the three whom care. I admit this is rather conceited of myself, but I do not like the changes being made - and thus if they are applied, I shan't participate often or at all.
If I may contribute my two cents, alongside a recap: The categorizing of Challenge Takers is a task that has no definite solution due to 'human nature' as Kayorei put it; only one decision has less consequences. You can choose to separate users by name, challenges completed, or popularity; it will end up the same, though.
I would honestly agree with the method of placing all threads into one board, and leaving a guideline of sorts, but no rankings or organization past that. The only elitism that could come forth from that would be the 'latest post' mechanic, but if you really need to compete using it, you have much too much pride. It could get disorienting at times, but it would unite all the Challenge Takers as a whole community in an area - as untidy as it may be. However, with the addition of a forementioned guideline thread or special rules for that section alone, perhaps order could be found amid chaos. As it is, the Challenge Someone Else board - while inactive - does not seem to be doing too badly in terms of needs for moderation and attendance.
... but perhaps not.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 11, 2008 3:21:43 GMT -5
Regarding the new forum as a whole, I must say I am rather displeased and may join only to post certain updates in the Creative Section, or Video Walkthrough Thread (should there be one). I admit this is rather conceited of myself, but I do not like the changes being made - and thus if they are applied, I shan't participate often or at all. You... seemed rather supportive of it before. What exactly is it about the place that you don't like? I guess that is one solution, simplest one out there. No competition, no titles, just a place to post challenges equally. Wouldn't have to deal with a "reset" and it's the lowest-maintenance thing tabled. Only issue I have is the lack of categorization. I'm a bit of a neat-freak when it comes to that kind of thing. Others around who fight for the "pro-CT, anti-general forum" cause would argue that it takes more attention away from Challenge Taking on the board itself, though. You do bring a good point about it, though. Even if I haven't looked into it much, CSE has always been pretty orderly from what I've seen, even without moderation or categorizing. All anyone would really lose is a little convenience.
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