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Post by Forci S. on Nov 6, 2008 21:36:49 GMT -5
I see a lot of things I did wrong here. Several things I want to rectify. I made "Challenge... someone else!" to give the up-and-coming people a little publicity, only for it to get buried under "OCT" boards. Defeats the purpose, if you ask me. As it stands, the forum seems less about actual challenge taking and more about Effexor and Arashi and Fay and the others with their own boards. The proposed system will promote the established people and the active ones if it goes properly. There's probably other stuff that I can't think of at the moment that I'm sure is totally wrong with the forum as it stands. Mmm, I dunno... Looks to me that Bardpado, Quirino, myself, Omni, Vigarde, Greenie, and Mollett all worked out pretty well. The reason I consulted Armadox on the matter is that he has more experience dealing with the populous than I do and that I know him personally. There's a good reason I never thought like an admin, and that is because I can't. I don't have the mindset for administrating a forum. Oh, come, now. You've been the administrator of this forum for almost two years, and all things considered, you've done a great job. The website is more free to cater to the niche we've established. The forum, however... not so much. People that are interested in the website could come to the forum to discuss things with people of similar interests, as it should be, even if it has nothing to do with the theme of the website. I've seen forums that had absolutely nothing to do with the site they were associated with. ...Alright, I'm with Lego on this one: could you give us more details on the website? I'll admit, I'm doing this partly to better my own position. I want a website that can support itself at the absolute least. The only way I can do that is to expand the horizons a bit to attract more people. Who knows? Some of the people drawn in for general chatting may find they love the concept of CTing. You'll never know until it's already done. Or it could make the situation even worse than it is right now. Nobody can predict the future with 100% accuracy, but looking over the plans for the forum......I get the distinct feeling that it will not work out nearly as well as it is being made out to.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 6, 2008 21:44:48 GMT -5
What's been planned for the website is a little less of Challenge Taking and more like gaming challenges in general. Encouraging people to "take the next step" with their games, posting things such as, well, general whole-game challenges, much like NeoArashi's now-defunct thread in Board Games. Proof of achievement of such types of challenges can be submitted to the website by visitors.
Side elements include walkthroughs and reviews, all of which being submitted by visitors.
Challenge Taking will also be featured there, though I'm not entirely sure how it'll be executed at the moment.
And Syaro... that's the thing. You're right. It's impossible to tell, but I'm willing to take the gamble. And as for my administrating the forum well for two years? Hah. All I've done was shove the duties onto you, Fay, and Lego.
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Post by Forci S. on Nov 6, 2008 22:10:10 GMT -5
.................................... ...Alright, fine. It's clear to me that, whatever any of us say, nothing is going to change about this. I only have two things to say now on the matter: 1. I ask that a preview of the website be shared with all of us before this switch actually takes place. 2. If--...no, when Armadox is made Moderator/ubermod/co-Admin at this new forum...the chances that I will remain a member are slim.
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Post by Crawdaunt PWNS! on Nov 6, 2008 22:46:01 GMT -5
I'd like more details about the website, please.. We need something that the CTers can work with... Quoted for truth. Anyways. IF you're making a new forum, it'd be dangerous to advertise it. After all, Rekai won't be banned from that new forum. True, I did mention I missed the guy, and I still do, but he is like George W. Bush: The worst enemy of peace. Also, What about the people with Warn level? Although there's only a handful of regulars with a warn level, how will you keep track of everyone's warn level? Or will it be reset in the new forum? (if that's the case, thank god, I'll finally get rid of that 99% I have since end of May :S) After readinng more of this thing, Pushing everyone to the bottom is quite a good idea, but there's 2 thing I'd like to mention 1- It has already been mentioned, but 500 challenge is WAY too high. I mean, there's maybe... 2 people who breached 200 (Kayorei, and I beleive, Effexor) one of these people quited a while ago. Very few people, even in the ECTs (I like your new name for OCTs Syaro) Have breached 100. I have yet to get to 150 myself. 2-Even if you reset everyone status, the few people who have a great number of challenge, Like Shinji, Effexor and Myself, will be in great advantage, and thus, have their personnal board much earlier. I refuse to reset the number of challenge I got. I've been around CTing for 2 years (minus 5 days) and I think I'd shoot myself if I had to restart my 130+ challenge I got so far anew. Your Idea is Great kayorei. The greatest Idea you had in a while, However, I (and it seems Syaro too) think there's more though that should be involved. Personnaly, I was making y own ''Challenge NeoArashi'' Website (using Freewebs) and if everyone could make their own sh!tty website (By sh!tty, I mean a very small website) Maybe you could have them posted in a stickied thread of new forum, or promote them trhoughs links in the new website.
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Post by LightEffexor on Nov 6, 2008 22:51:51 GMT -5
New website? *unsure noises*
I do admit, it'd be nice to have a fresh start, but... I dunno. It just won't feel the same. I have mixed feelings on this. One side of me says, "Sweet! A brand new start for the forums," while the other side says, "what about all the neat stuff that we did HERE? It'll be, not really lost, but... out of our hands then."
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 7, 2008 0:00:55 GMT -5
1. I ask that a preview of the website be shared with all of us before this switch actually takes place. Fair enough. You assume too much. I have no problem with the current administrative team. People may be needed to mod individual forums, but there's no real reason to add any more to the main crew. To be dead honest, and no offense to him, but I think the biggest position Armadox would land would be moderator of Role-Playing. Not sure why you're so worried about him, but that's an argument for PM, not here. Anyways. IF you're making a new forum, it'd be dangerous to advertise it. After all, Rekai won't be banned from that new forum. True, I did mention I missed the guy, and I still do, but he is like George W. Bush: The worst enemy of peace. Unless I'm mistaken, you can have someone banned before he/she has even signed up. I'm not 100% sure about that, though. Likely reset. I don't even remember everyone's warn level, much less how long it's been active. I do agree that five hundred is a bit over the top. I've been considering lowering it to something closer to 350... considering *braces for impact* for forum usage only, everyone's challenge count will be reset to zero. Officially, you'll still have your 130+, but the forum only counts challenges completed after the thread has been started (regardless of location). So when you hit, say 180, you'll be considered Novice in the forum, even if you still have 130 more than the requirement in your backlog. At least, that was the plan when it comes to equality, though I'm kinda questioning the wisdom of it. Ugh, the more I argue and explain, the more I'm second-guessing the entire idea. I should have known introducing such a radical change to this crowd was going to end in disaster. Care to elaborate? Do what you will there. It's not that bad of an idea, really, though it's nothing a wiki couldn't do (though it does save on password distribution...). I'll keep it in mind. New website? *unsure noises* I do admit, it'd be nice to have a fresh start, but... I dunno. It just won't feel the same. I have mixed feelings on this. One side of me says, "Sweet! A brand new start for the forums," while the other side says, "what about all the neat stuff that we did HERE? It'll be, not really lost, but... out of our hands then." Thus is change. I don't intend to delete anything from these forums when the switch happens, just threadlocking and a redirect link.
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Post by Inebriated Gamer on Nov 7, 2008 0:48:39 GMT -5
.................................... ...Alright, fine. It's clear to me that, whatever any of us say, nothing is going to change about this. I only have two things to say now on the matter: 1. I ask that a preview of the website be shared with all of us before this switch actually takes place. 2. If--...no, when Armadox is made Moderator/ubermod/co-Admin at this new forum...the chances that I will remain a member are slim. What the hell? Ha! Look kid, I really don't give a damn bout your fued, but I'm going to have to ask you to step off it. I don't know what crawls up your bum when I'm around ( you've been like this since CT tourney, and I ain't really much bothered by you.) But you got a funny way of assuming more then is happening.. 1. She could have just as easily built the site in the background, and shown it to you without any external imput at all but she chose to let everyone in on it. And your all up in pitchforks and torches without really giving anything a chance. You trust Kay? Fancy her a leader of sorts, well why doubt what she does after putting her on the little pedistal? 2. I really ain't much interested in any admin stuff, only reason I'm working on stuff to the extent I am is I'm the closest and easiest to brainstorm with. That and I've knowledge on what she's trying to do. Makes sense, eh? My interest has always been role-playing and story, as my choice of gaming never really matched you lot ( as was proven in the CT tourney, in fact..) You got a problem with me being admin? Fine, your opinion has been noted. Don't let your appearent hatred of me blur your view of what's actually being said and done. I'm not the devil, and honestly, I'm not gaining or want anything from this. Just helping a friend, maybe you should do the same...
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Post by Crawdaunt PWNS! on Nov 7, 2008 1:06:33 GMT -5
I suck at elaborating, but in short, i seems to me that it was a quickly made Idea. I mean,we all talked about that a few months ago, then the thread dies, and after those said months, you suddenly come up with all those ideas. That's what I meant. Anyways, like I said, the more I red about this thing, the less I feel like complaining, exept the part where we need 350 challenge, and my challenge count (in the forum) will be rest... ouch!
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 7, 2008 2:33:12 GMT -5
I, personally, don't like the idea of the "Beginner" etc. boards with resetting the challenge count.
Considering the fact HOW LONG it will take for a CT to reach such enormous amounts of challenges, it's pretty much a bad idea. Even if the challenges I've made to date counted, I'd still would be classed as "Novice", because I have currently 96, but not 100. Even though I'm known as being one of the regulars. Of course this new system would be fairer towards the new(er) CTs, but imo it's pretty unfair to the regulars who already ARE counted as the well-known CTs. However, I wouldn't say it's entirely newbie-friendly, as well, because as we know, Shinji and ChaosFS both made it quickly to their own boards, and are now among the regular names like Effexor or myself.
But even tho some are better known - it will still take a long time to reach 50, or 100, or everything above, soon. Consider the fact that it took me over 2 years, and I still don't have 100 challenges (due to my laziness and inactivity, though). And having Effexor share the same board with yourfather512 looks a little... odd, imo.
I support the idea of restarting the boards, and making a website, I support in extending the Non-CT-sections, but I don't support your current plans for the CT-section. I'll try to brainstorm a bit at work today, maybe I can find an acceptable solution for it.
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Post by Bardpado on Nov 7, 2008 4:30:40 GMT -5
*thinks heavily*
I'm late on this, so forgive me if I misinterpret something...
There is the topic on biases to those who are sempai here. I mean no offense with this, but take this into consideration: Foozdude and I started just 3 months in difference and still, I don't receive as much attention as he even after at least 9 months... Even if you would reset, the guarantee of the remedy for biases in the form of things like LE-fan-boy-ism (again, no offense) won't be guaranteed.
As for the reset, I'm not too happy about that... I mean, sure, I have a count of 65, but ever since I hit 50, challenges have been coming in slow. As I've said a while ago, there's no guarantee for the remedy to work on the biases. I'm sorry to sound rude and boastful, but I think that idea is bad no matter how good it sounds(I've said that since this morning and it's getting old, but...)!
I'm not sure if I did, but I hope I made sense here. Even if this forum gets the boot, I'll move to the new one ASAP, but I just don't want that feeling again... I don't want to compete anymore. Remove my board and title on this forum if you want, but I don't want to reset without a name for myself.
Again, I'm sorry if I sounded rude, obnoxious, stupid or anything of the like...
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Barrell volt
Challenge Taker
Kanji be-eth baddass and you know it!
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 7, 2008 9:59:40 GMT -5
Foozdude: The staff will remain the same, with a couple of additions, most likely. The staff will remain the same? So I don't get my own board which I personally enjoyed having but i'm still a staff member? Then what does this mean will happen? Anyway my opinion, I do not like the idea of having my challenge count reset personally. I mean yeah I am the newest "OCT" and have only completed about 35 challenges so far however they weren't all that easy. Still is this board just get completely locked and go bust? This board is awesome and I love to actually come here. Perhaps an idea of keeping this board open for around 1 year with the newer board? As that board might not kick off and if this one is gone then what is going to happen then? Where will us CTer's go? As Syaro said we cannot predict the future 100% and I would most certainly miss these boards.
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 7, 2008 10:01:43 GMT -5
You, Mollett, are NOT a staff member.
The staff are Kayorei, Legoman, ChaosFS and me. You just manage your own little subboard, which doesn't make you a staff, tho.
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Post by Shinji-kun on Nov 7, 2008 10:16:49 GMT -5
You know, ProBoards say otherwise.
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 7, 2008 10:19:08 GMT -5
Well, no shit.
Of course, you guys are TECHNICALLY members of the staff, however, since you only moderate your own CTing boards, that doesn't make you REAL staff.
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Barrell volt
Challenge Taker
Kanji be-eth baddass and you know it!
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 7, 2008 10:23:03 GMT -5
Ok I am not a staff member however it does say when I log on I am counted as a staff member which is where I was coming from.
Anyway I also have one more question. How the HELL am I going to complete 350 challenges anyway? I don't get challenges very much at all and personally even 100 challenges may be a bit much. As I said I have only completed around 35 challenges and resetting that number is pretty crazy. Yeah 20 challenges was however a little low but I think a reeasonable number would be around 30 maybe 35 challenges. Sure lots of people have around 100+ challenges done and maybe i'm a bit lenient there but I really enjoyed being in this forum as I stated.
Also what about challenges received in youtube? Those won't be counted.
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