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Post by Hot-Hit on Nov 7, 2008 11:13:03 GMT -5
Care to elaborate, Mollettman? Because, from what I read, what you are suggesting is not going to solve the problem in any way at all. You have completed 35 challenges, Fay has completed 96 and LE has done 300+. Now then, if the own board status is raised to 35, that still makes everyone, including you, who is already an OCT... what? An OCT, meaning that solves nothing! I've only completed 3 challenges (CPU problems, which are as erratic as fire), meaning I have to complete a hell more just to gain my own board anyway.
My opinion is to raise the number to 100, this means that the rabble (e.g. Mollettman) don't gain their own boards of popularity, while more experienced CTers (e.g. Fay) have instant board access or very little to do before gaining a board of their own. (Arashi's Idea may be of some use here...) However, if you increase the number too high, the CTer owning the Board has no reason for the board. Why? Because, after completing so many, it is likely some challenges will be either identical, similar or just plain stupid (defeat flashman, but do it in flashy to show off!). Basically, things will be dull.
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 7, 2008 11:22:26 GMT -5
That may be the case but the challenge count is set back to 0. So none of us get a board anyway.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 7, 2008 16:28:39 GMT -5
How the HELL am I going to complete 350 challenges anyway? I don't get challenges very much at all and personally even 100 challenges may be a bit much. As I said I have only completed around 35 challenges and resetting that number is pretty crazy. Yeah 20 challenges was however a little low but I think a reeasonable number would be around 30 maybe 35 challenges. Sure lots of people have around 100+ challenges done and maybe i'm a bit lenient there but I really enjoyed being in this forum as I stated. Well... 50, 100, 350, and 500 were all just tabled numbers. Thinking it over, 50 does seem like overkill for Novice, and likewise for 350 for Veteran (which is the "title" given for the personal boards). New numbers that have been tabled for it are 15- for Beginner, 16-70 for Novice, 71-200 for Advanced, 201+ for Veteran. Hot-hit did bring a very good point about the "saturation point", though. I retired just after 200 due to burnout. There's no telling when the other people would do the same. The "reset" was tabled to put everyone on the same page, same level, so everyone had to work just as hard to advance; those already established would advance faster because they're already "advanced". It also serves double duty by weeding out those who no longer take challenges: the inactive ones either don't post their starting threads at all or die and make room for smaller CTs in the same group. No one's losing any work or position, though it would look like it on the surface, but... ... the forum only counts challenges completed after the thread has been started ( regardless of location) Challenges completed that were received on YouTube still count toward your total on the forum. You just have to remember to add it to your challenge count so those in charge of the CT boards would know when to advance you. Still is this board just get completely locked and go bust? This board is awesome and I love to actually come here. Perhaps an idea of keeping this board open for around 1 year with the newer board? As that board might not kick off and if this one is gone then what is going to happen then? Where will us CTer's go? As Syaro said we cannot predict the future 100% and I would most certainly miss these boards. For one, no one said this forum is going to be deleted. Locked, maybe, but not deleted. There are too many unfinished RPs that would need to be referred to in the new place, among other things. For another thing, it sounds to me like you're afraid of changing. We have to learn to step out of the box and out of our comfort zone. I'm stepping out of my comfort zone by making such a big move, but if I don't get over my own excessive caution on projects like this, the place will die out. In a way, this whole thing is my baby and I'm the parent who's trying to think of what's best for his future. Some decisions, he'll like. Some decisions, he'll curse me for. Any move that's made here, even if no move is made at all, could build us up or tear us down. It's going to be as difficult for me as it's going to be for everyone else, if not more so. ... Pardon the emotional moment. *thinks heavily* I'm late on this, so forgive me if I misinterpret something... There is the topic on biases to those who are sempai here. I mean no offense with this, but take this into consideration: Foozdude and I started just 3 months in difference and still, I don't receive as much attention as he even after at least 9 months... Even if you would reset, the guarantee of the remedy for biases in the form of things like LE-fan-boy-ism (again, no offense) won't be guaranteed. The remedy for "bias" was to take care of the forum's favoritism toward the fourteen people with their own boards, not the people's favoritism of whoever. People will still like Effexor (as in your example) just as much. It's just that now other people will get more exposure. It... does bring the question of the problem of CT saturation as opposed to challenge saturation, though... The reset only applies to the forum itself. You'll still have your previous progress. I do see where you're coming from, though. The reset is meant to equalize, as stated to Mollettman earlier in the thread, but I'm not entirely sure how wise the idea is. You're doing none of the sort. You're stating opinion, which is why I made this thread in the first place. |
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 7, 2008 16:44:01 GMT -5
Even though I haven't been able to come up with a solution, I still think it's not that good of an idea.
Consider the fact, that, of course, as long as there are no people with their own boards and all in the Newbie-section, people WILL go there, however, as soon as the higher ranks come up they will go to them, anyway, 'cause they have more challenges and therefore are better (so they will think).
Believe me, it WILL be like that. People are that ignorant, I see it every day in my shop.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 7, 2008 17:02:58 GMT -5
That, I understand. However, it could also be a question of "seating arrangement". Putting Beginner on top and Veteran on the bottom can work by the same principle. Will the ignorant click the first thing they see or go straight for the big fish? Either way, someone's going to get shorted.
There's no changing human nature. I'm just trying to keep forum favoritism to a minimum (i.e. handing out personal boards like candy, like I've practically been doing).
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 7, 2008 17:57:03 GMT -5
It's okay and understandable that you want to compress it, but imo, in this way it's rather contraproductive.
As said, people definitely will go for the big fish - as you put it. The smaller ones, even when they are at the top, won't get as much attention.
I've dealt with people both in reality and virtuality enough to know that.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 7, 2008 18:42:54 GMT -5
I know. There's no avoiding it. It's human nature. But if we keep the personal boards, it's only going to make the problem worse, emphasizing the "big fish" and leaving the smaller guys with nothing.
The solution that's there is the only one I've heard that eases that problem even a little bit.
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Post by LightEffexor on Nov 7, 2008 23:02:43 GMT -5
Okay. For all the people thinking I've done 300 challenges, I've only done 150. 150 on the nose. The others were just random gameplay videos. Like my Pokemon Silver and Rockman no Constancy runs. There. Got that out of the way.
So the challenges we've already done, do they count to this new nimber that'll needed to become an "expert" challengeer and whatnot, or do we need to start allll over at 0 for the forum's sake.
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Post by Kayorei on Nov 7, 2008 23:24:57 GMT -5
Well, the plan was for it to be reset for the forum's sake.
As far as the forum's concerned, your count will be 0 when the place opens. It wouldn't be an equalizing move if that wasn't the case. Everywhere else, you'll still have your 150. At least, that was the plan.
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Post by Bardpado on Nov 8, 2008 1:00:31 GMT -5
The remedy for "bias" was to take care of the forum's favoritism toward the fourteen people with their own boards, not the people's favoritism of whoever. People will still like Effexor (as in your example) just as much. It's just that now other people will get more exposure. It... does bring the question of the problem of CT saturation as opposed to challenge saturation, though... I'm not so sure if anyone notices it, but far more people pay attention to the "Challenge Someone Else" forum now that they barely even bother to challenge someone like me even though I stayed open with an empty list for 3 months before a lock. To be honest, the only favorited people on this forum are Effexor, Shinji, Arashi, Fay (depends on the time, but, yes, he's there) and, a few months back, you... It doesn't really matter who the 14 are... People only pay attention to who's on top of the list or those "brand named" people. Even if the forum were more general and elitism were removed, the fans could rocket their idol to the top of the list of threads, get more viewers for that CT and defeat the purpose of generalization again. What makes it harsh, this time, is that there's no more elitism around and they involuntarily make the person elite and make all the others lose more viewers than they did before. *adds* I only saw this now regarding rankings... I play a few games that also have a ranking system depending on your card collection and I believe that 70 for Novice is too much. Maybe just have a lighter ranking system which has intervals starting with 10 and adding another 10 to the requirement to rank up... Say like: 0-5: Newbie 6-15: Beginner 16-40: Novice 41-70: Veteran 71-110: Hero 111-150: Guru 151-200: Elite 201-250: Uber 251-300: Epic 300-350: Ultimate 350+: Legendary |
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Post by Inebriated Gamer on Nov 8, 2008 4:12:12 GMT -5
*yawns* What she's looking for to my knowledge, would be something that doesn't show anyone to far above anyone else, and premotes a bit of competition, without needing to be watched like a hawk and moderated all the time.
Not one moderator will have the time, or patience for that...
Down time is a problem, when those with boards tend to challenge lock on occation slowing their board to a crawl, and those wanting to give Fay a challenge could be waiting for him to return instead of giving it to a newcomer to the board in the corner.
So we need a system that cuts out those on hiatus and not doing anything. Like she said, a thread will auto-prune if no one wants to use it, but a board will stay there and since the players still on here. It's just a title given to someone whom can be lazy once he's reached the top and doesn't need worry about being shuffled back into the pot.
Now, if there was a mod just sweeping the CT spot, I'd suggest just making it a standings. The new forum has everyone start over anyways, so if it was me, I'd appoint a referee, and have the 10 spots of "named" boards a rank ladder. You have more challenges then them, your number 1 on the list.
Top 1-10 gets their own board on the A rank takers.
B rank Takers are those 15 challenges close to the 10 spot. If your within 15 challenges of bottom rung there, you're close enough to catch him.
C rank Takers are everyone else.
Your first post in your thread will be links to your videos in numerical order so we can see how many you got at a glance. Maybe you can win prizes if your "1-x" at the end of the month, or something. Who knows..
It won't stop elitism, but nothing will. What that'd do would make those who want to be elitist have to tighen up on the bat or be bucked off. Got the attitude then you back it up.
You want to go on hiatus for months or so, you loose your seat. And for those who say that they challenge take cause they want too, they shouldn't be up-set to not be in the standings as they should just be happy to CT at their leisure.
If you ARE going on hiatus, the mod on duty will gladly shift your thread into the last board on the list for frozen CTers. It'll be keep on a board that doesn't prune and will be moved back when you return.
A Rankers
B Rankers
C Rankers
Cold Storage
*stretched uncomfortably*
That'd be how I'd do it. And since the line of challenges are slow anyways, it shouldn't be to hard to watch once the users spread out. A point restart happens after the "number one" spot has been there for "x" months, or reached 500 or whatever the limit would be, so that it can be fair.
If you got fans already, you shouldn't be worried so much should you? But it shouldn't be too easy or too hard to keep above the pack, and you shouldn't be able to take off when that space could be used for someone active, right?
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Post by Barrell volt on Nov 8, 2008 4:15:16 GMT -5
I do like the sound of this more and more as the thread progresses.
Bard's ideas on the ranking would be good and say we ecame "uber" rank we get our own boards? Not a bad idea now that I really think about it.
However if it is going to be thread based would it be ok to do some extra posts in the thread to state challenges you have finished "before" the website was started and "after" it was started. Then add some more posts saying the extra information such as unlocked games and whatnot which I had in my thread here?
Anyway Kayorei if you do make this website which appears inevitable now I will rejoin because I have always enjoyed this community as they are people who actually play similar games to me.
Also on the bright side this will get rid of the many dead threads on the website and inactive users.
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Post by Onishiba on Nov 8, 2008 5:07:22 GMT -5
and those wanting to give Fay a challenge could be waiting for her to return His, please. Otherwise, I generally think your idea is not too bad. I personally always thought the own boards to be pretty clattering as well, since only a few are really active. Not stretching the challenge span to hundreds is a pretty good idea, too... One can argue about the numbers, but what Armadox said is probably the best solution. |
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Post by Inebriated Gamer on Nov 8, 2008 5:26:39 GMT -5
Oh, right, yah sorry bout that..
And mine was just a suggestion. Like I said, it'd require a non-partial referee who'd be around enough to check up on stuff, and play musical chairs. Less you get a mod for each section...
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Post by Hot-Hit on Nov 8, 2008 9:20:23 GMT -5
3rd time lucky...
Perhaps it would be a good idea to take Arashi's idea and add it into the mix. A fifth board for the challenge takers who have enough popularity to be considered elite anyway, therefore having there own community.
Just for a quick example, if somebody -let's say Shinji- reaches the 150+ mark and he has three regular challenge issuers. Shinji is drawing attention away from the rest of the CTers, so to avoid increased moderation of Shinji's CTing, he makes his own board. This allows Shinji complete control of what goes on in his small community, while the main CTing board has an out of the way thread linking to Shinji's community. Meaning mods will have little bother from the heavily popular challenge takers, and newer issuers won't instantly run for any "big fish".
This may promote elitism, but it saves moderation, allows the "big fish" to operate almost alone and prevents any new members wanting to challenge any big names straight away(Is it really worth making another account to challenge one person?).
So, what do you think?
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